Workspace Unwired

Workspace Unwired is a fresh new podcast brought to you by the BCO in which we delve into everything workspace and work places, from the people that make it happen, the places that it helps create, the planet that we need to protect as we redesign, retrofit and deliver fresh workspaces and the policies and practices that are impacting the sector today and tomorrow.
Episodes
Episodes



Monday Nov 17, 2025
Workspace Unwired: The truth about securing a new HQ
Monday Nov 17, 2025
Monday Nov 17, 2025
In this episode of Workspace Unwired BCO chief executive Samantha McClary is in conversation with Avison Young’s London regional managing director Adrian Boyce about the firm’s recent big move to its new London HQ at The Met.
Listen in as Boyce shares the journey from consultant to client, the challenges that come from wanting to deliver the best that you can on a not unlimited budget, and how walking a mile in someone else’s shoes really is the best education you’ll ever get.
All that and so much more.
Enjoy.



Monday Nov 03, 2025
Workspace Unwired: Bridging barriers
Monday Nov 03, 2025
Monday Nov 03, 2025
In this episode of Workspace Unwired Landsec portfolio manager and BCO NextGen committee member Chloe Prince joins BCO chief executive Samantha McClary to talk about the need for real estate industry to broaden its talent pool and why we need to be taking social mobility much, much more seriously if we really want to create a diverse and equitable industry and deliver a successful and valuable built environment.
Over the course of this 30 minute conversation, Prince shares her unconventional route into property, her passion for openness and understanding and the work she has been doing through the BCO NextGen committee with charity Bridging Barriers to showcase the real estate sector to a much broader spectrum of potential new talent.
It is clear that Prince is on a mission to make real estate and the workplace environment more diverse, inclusive and, quite frankly, just better.
Your job is to listen in to this great conversation and join her on the journey.
Enjoy.



Monday Oct 13, 2025
Workspace Unwired: Why our workspaces need to work harder
Monday Oct 13, 2025
Monday Oct 13, 2025
In this episode of Workspace Unwired, BCO chief executive Samantha McClary is talking to TFT director Martin Smith about all the amazing things that are happening in the world of workspace that no one knows about. Listen in as the pair discuss the need for our workspaces to work harder and deliver more, the brilliant tangibility of real estate and how adaptability is key to a sustainable future.This 50-minute listen provides an insight into the role of our built environment in driving inclusivity, the importance of building community and making our workspaces more accessible for all.Dive in to find out how we need to make our offices do more if we really are to provide workspaces that work for all but how the sector's lack of communications skills could be holding it back.All that and so much more.Enjoy!



Monday Oct 06, 2025
Workspace Unwired: An enlightening approach
Monday Oct 06, 2025
Monday Oct 06, 2025
In this episode of Workspace Unwired BCO chief executive Samantha McClary is talking to Andy McBain, head of future of workspace and design at Natwest, and senior vice president of the BCO, about why customer experience is central to making workspaces work, why next year’s BCO conference is a must attend and why as a sector we need to get so much better at talking about the value we bring to the wider economy.
The pair talk about the importance of human-centric design, the power of partnership and why we should all be seeking enlightenment.
Succession’s Brian Cox might make an appearance too. And while his most famous catchphrase may not be uttered, there is a little, very appropriate swear.
What is it? Well you’ll have to listen in.Enjoy!For listeners interested in delving deeper into the research mentioned in this podcast, visit https://www.bco.org.uk/publications/about-our-reportsReports are free for BCO members to download



Monday Sep 22, 2025
Workspace Unwired: Why mentoring matters
Monday Sep 22, 2025
Monday Sep 22, 2025
In this episode of Workspace Unwired, BCO chief executive Samantha McClary sits down with Square Dot’s Joe Huddleston to talk about the power and purpose of mentoring.
In this 40 minute conversation we touch on the BCO’s own mentoring programme and how those not yet part of it can get involved, but also dive deeper into what makes for a good mentor and mentee and why, if we really want to create the best workplace and workspace of tomorrow, we need to properly unlock the value of mentoring.
As a proud Brummie, Joe also shares his thoughts on the renaissance of the Midlands powerhouse and the challenges and opportunities the city’s office sector faces.
Find out more about the BCO's mentoring programme at https://www.bco.org.uk/nextgen-mentoring-programme



Monday Sep 08, 2025
Workspace Unwired: 10 principles for a better built world
Monday Sep 08, 2025
Monday Sep 08, 2025
In this episode of Workspace Unwired, BCO, chief executive Samantha McClary sits down with Ben Cross, the self-confessed failed architect and founder of More, a development management company that unapologetically believes that a focus on ROI delivers more than just a healthy bottom line.
In this long listen, Ben talks about his contrarian approach to development management, his commitment to always asking why, and his passion to put heart, feeling and personality into every place we create.
He’s a strong believer that refurbishment should be the strategy going forward, that every building has a purpose and that doing the right thing can be a by-product of doing the financially savvy thing.
Listen in as we unpack 10 new principles for a better built world.



Monday Aug 25, 2025
Workspace Unwired: Beyond the aesthetic
Monday Aug 25, 2025
Monday Aug 25, 2025
In this episode of Workspace Unwired, BCO chief executive Samantha McClary sits down with Knight Frank’s Betsy Brady for a look at how people working in the workspace sector have an opportunity to develop happiness.
It’s not as woo-woo as it sounds, promise. Creating places where people want to be, to collaborate, innovate and work is crucial in developing truly functional and sustainable offices today.
Listen in to find out more about why you need to consider psychoacoustics just as much as your floor to ceiling heights and amenity if you want to give people a reason to be in the office and why understanding humans might be a better sales pitch to occupiers that some good patter on rents.
And, if you’re are at all feeling down about the future of offices – and the wider real estate sector – then you absolutely need to listen to this conversation with Betsy. She’s the perfect advert for why a career in real estate is the best career you can build.
Listen in to find out why.



Monday Aug 11, 2025
Workspace Unwired: From adversarial to authentic
Monday Aug 11, 2025
Monday Aug 11, 2025
In this episode of the BCO’s Workspace Unwired podcast, chief executive Samantha McClary sits down with Emma Roche, a partner in law firm Greenwoods, to discuss the changing nature of the office world from a legal perspective.
With reforms to the Landlord & Tenant Act, a mooted ban on upward only rent reviews and a wider variety of occupational agreements out there, Emma shares her views on potential fresh new legislation and gives us the lowdown on a new managed space agreement that does away with legalese and replaces it with more human and less adversarial language.
Could this be the start of something new?
Emma is more than just a leading lawyer – she’s been listed multiple times in the corporate occupier Legal 500 – she’s also a coach, grounding her practice in the teachings of philosophy.Keep listening as we delve in to why knowing our what and why couldn’t be more important when it comes to delivering workspace that works.



